{"id":3246,"date":"2022-11-22T18:49:25","date_gmt":"2022-11-22T17:49:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.vitezi-rend.com\/?page_id=3246"},"modified":"2022-12-11T21:34:15","modified_gmt":"2022-12-11T20:34:15","slug":"order-of-vitez-questions-and-mistakes","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.vitezi-rend.com\/en\/order-of-vitez-questions-and-mistakes\/","title":{"rendered":"Order of Vit\u00e9z – Questions and Mistakes"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Author: Dr. Vit\u00e9z Nob. \u00c1d\u00e1m Berniczei-Ro\u00ffk\u00f3 de Bernicze<\/em>
Deputy Captain General, Staff Captain of Hungary<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Lately, from less informed, or simply misinformed friends I often hear the question:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“\u2013 So how is it now, which Order of Vit\u00e9z is this… ? Because there are a few of them out there…. and they all claim to be the real one, … and the registered association…”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well that’s just it… Then let’s clarify.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The National Seat of Vit\u00e9z was established in the Kingdom of Hungary by Prime Minister’s Decree No. 6650\/1920.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Order of Vit\u00e9z \u2013 whose fons honorum is the Holy Crown \u2013 was already established by the National Seat of Vit\u00e9z itself by its own decision. The head of the Seat and also of the order is the Captain General. Until 1945, the Order of Vit\u00e9z was created a public body in terms of its legal status, in the same way the Hungarian Academy of Sciences was created.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Unfortunately, currently it is not possible to rehabilitate this legal status.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

After 1945, the Order continued to operate abroad in exile; since 1962, it has been recognized by the ICOC as a knightly order \u2013 this was exactly 60 years ago \u2013 and since then it has been the only (!) internationally recognized knightly organization of Hungarian origin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

An institution of order status can never and will never be equal to an association founded by it or others under a similar or identical name, which, by its very nature, has no fons honorum, even if horribile dictu all the members of the order would leave the order and “cross” into the association, to use a more accurate military term, in violation of the oath of order to the Holy Crown sworn before the Captain General.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For example, here is the imaginary ‘independence’ of the Maltese Charity Service, an aid organization of the Sovereign Order of Malta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If the Charity Service suddenly decided that from today it would continue to operate as the “Order of Malta”… , well that would not make it a knightly order, it would still be a registered association \u2013 albeit under the name “Order of Malta” \u2013 but even then it would not become a knightly order, it would just imitate the traditions, appearance, ceremonies, or even the objectives of the Sovereign Order of Malta…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

However in this unfortunate situation which is created by misrepresenting to say the least, is an opportunity to deceive many bona fide but less prudent people, since they believe that they are entering a long-standing “Order of Chivalry” or “Order of Vit\u00e9z”, even though they may only become a member of an association that imitates the legitimate order.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

More plainly:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u2013 If the Hungarian State establishes a \u201dHungarian State Association\u201d \u2013 which the court registers under this name, and is entered in the registry of associations \u2013 and later this already registered \u201dHungarian State Association\u201d changes and simplifies its name to Hungarian State \u2013 removing the word “Association” from its name \u2013 well, that does not make it a second Hungarian State, it simply remains an association. I gather we can see the problem here…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Then the elected president of this “Hungarian State registered association” inspired by a cheerful idea begins to call himself \u201dhead of state\u201d that is \u201dgrandmaster or Captain General\u201d in our situation, and to unsuspecting people who are interested he grants “citizenship” in the framework of an “inauguration” ceremony, which of course has financial implications… Well, the value of the end result and authority of this process (pseudochivalric or pseudo vit\u00e9z “rank”) should be decided by everyone for himself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Furthermore neither had the legitimate Order of Vit\u00e9z become equal to the association founded (!) by members of the order, registered in 1992 as the \u201dVit\u00e9zi Rend Magyarorsz\u00e1gi Tagozata\u201d (\u201dHungarian Department of the Order of Vit\u00e9z\u201d) which was represented by a member of the order who became president of this association and he registered his own apartment as headquarter. After this the legitimate Order of Vit\u00e9z and its association did not unify, the latter later changed its name simply to \u201dOrder of Vit\u00e9z\u201d, thus turning its back on the real and legitimate Order of Vit\u00e9z, deceiving its Captain General, Archduke Joseph \u00c1rp\u00e1d of Habsburg-Lothringen, Royal Prince of Hungary (this association is now headed by association president J\u00e1nos Moln\u00e1r-Gazs\u00f3).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

They could not have become equal, since in addition to organizational and authority issues, they are completely different legal entities in terms of their organizational structure. Apple vs pear, more specifically one is an Order, the other is an association…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The legitimate Order of Vit\u00e9z is a legal entity within the European Union, registered in Kingdom of Sweden, proudly and surely standing on its Hungarian historical foundations, with Hungarian national consciousness, patriotic feelings, professing and promoting the traditional European Christian\/Christian values, an internationally recognized, highly respected ideological community, which has a hierarchical order structure headed by Archduke Joseph Charles of Habsburg-Lorraine, Crown Prince of Hungary, while civil associations which use the name \u201dVit\u00e9zi Rend\u201d in one form or another are not – by definition- orders even if their structure also imitates the structure of the order, they are headed by presidents registered in association registers, or if they call themselves grandmasters or captains-general and their main decision-making body is the general assembly of the association.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Conclusion: there is one legitimate Order of Vit\u00e9z \u2013 as an Order. Other companies known by the same or similar names are legally nothing more than an association. They are to be considered a different genre. It’s like the difference between classical opera and an operetta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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